So Brian, did you start Assassin's Creed yet?
naw, wedding planning and work have eaten my life up this month
:/
Alright, I guess you get a pass for that
So long as when (if) you do get around to playing it, you come back on to talk about it
That was pretty good
Although honestly, string - 1 being NaN seems reasonable enough to me
except NaN is, technically, a floating point value...
besides, it was worth it for the delivery
In Javascript, NaN is an object (because everything is an object)
true; I just checked on wikipedia, apparently NaN is used in non-floating point math too. It was initially part of the floating point spec though
So I accidentally looked at some of the code that powers this site the other day, and I was faced with a conundrum:
So Cuzzo, I'm leaving for that cruise tomorrow. Any last minute advice?
Which is worse, the backend code, or the UI design? I think it's a wash 
Try not to sink
Remember not to tip for your drinks because that's already included in the cost
yeah, and based on your conundrum, I'll try not to follow your coding practices either 
No one should follow my coding practices from 2007
If you're going somewhere hot, don't forget sun screen
I actually remembered to think of that one!
They'll sell a lot of basic toiletries on the ship if you need them, but of course at a mark up
When you get to the pier, you're going to give you big bags to bag handler. You won't get your bags until around 8:00ish, so make sure to pack a "carry on" kind of bag for anything you might need between boarding and then
Like a swim suit if you want to hit the hot tubs
Or medication if you don't want to die
btw Tozzi, you will appreciate this... if I do end up rewriting any code, there's a nonzero chance I'll switch to tabs
The upside is that I can show them visually, which I (and exactly no one else on Earth ) really like
The downside is that I use a lot of spacing to align things beyond tabs, and that gets annoying to manage
But since I am now using three completely different styles for the same language depending on where I'm coding, I might just change that aspect of my personal style
Dowd, I hate you.
I swear you do these things just to annoy me
I do admit it's a bonus
Also, it's a serious pain to switch back and forth between tabs (which I need to use at work) and spaces (which I use elsewhere)
Of course what will happen is I'll do this then the style will end up being spaces at work or something, but oh well
why is that a pain? your editor doesn't have a button to do it?
It's in an option menu
I wonder if I could make a hotkey for it
Oh god, I just looked it up and the spacing I'm going to need going forward is two space indents... so I'm stuck with at least two styles regardless (and maybe three)
Well, you could be in my position where no one uses any sense of a style guide besides me
So even within the same script you could have spaces, tabs, and a mix of both
man, it's too bad tabs aren't standard; then you could view all those styles exactly the same way...
Cuzzo, why do you work in Hell?
Must have been my past life 
Oh, and sometimes no indent. I forgot that one.
I call that that style "Fuck you!" style.
you need to get a code formatter, and just format every file as it comes into your world
That's what I typically end up doing
Anyway, one last thing I can think of for cruise advice: make sure you have your passport packed, and on hand for when you board
And you'll probably want a credit card linked to your room key
My code formatter is bad at handling multiline strings, and over-indents html
Like I'm totally OK with no indents for the <html>, <body>, and <head> tags
passport check; what do you mean about the credit card?
Do you have any specific questions about the cruise?
I just upgraded my IDE, I should see if they've improved the options for that sort of thing
well, I still don't really get what one does on a cruise.
Your room key will be one of those magnetic strip disposable card things
When you board the boat, you're going to have an option to tie a credit card to your room key, thereby making your room key a credit card
It makes buying things on the boat (like drinks) a lot easier, and you don't have to carry anything around besides the room key then
vacations, as far as I have ever known, fall into two categories - Going some place to look at things, and going some place to get blitzed with friends. This seems to be neither
You can also then put the final tip amount on that card too. Otherwise, you should bring extra cash on board for the tip. About $150ish I think... They have "suggested" rates for how to tip.
Where are you going again?
Florida and the Caribbean
Well, each night you'll get a pamphlet in your room that lists all the activities that are available on board for the next day
Various bands playing, different work shops, competitions, etc...
Beyond those, there will always be a nightly show (or sometimes 2 shows) that are usually worth going to
Then there's just lounging at the pools, rock wall climbing, mini golf, the gym...
And then once you get to a port, there will be plenty to go out and look at. I recommend doing the excursions, but even if you don't, there's typically plenty to see just by walking off the boat and looking around
Are you on the Oasis of the seas?
maybe?
holy shit, could my internet connection please stop bleeding packets all over the place?
If it's the cruise that leaves tomorrow out of Ft.Lauderdale and goes to the bahamas and St.Tomas, that's the Oasis
And the Oasis is the biggest cruise ship in the world as far as I know.
It has 2 infinite wave riders in the back of the boat so you can surf and boogie board
ah, no it is not that then. This is leaving out of Baltimore, and I have been told it is a "small" ship
our condition for agreeing to this was that we weren't flying anywhere
we're going to drive to a friend's place outside Baltimore, leave the car keys with them and take a taxi down to the harbor
Oh, ok. Nevermind then
But still, all RC ships have a fair amount to do during the day
And if you're not into the doing part so much, then at the very least, lounging by the pool with a book with bar waiters constantly on hand is relaxing enough
I'm sure I'll figure it out. It's just an alien concept to me
Man I was so not raised in the right family to enjoy cruises
I mean, our entire Winter Classic schedule was based on the #1 priority: not paying stadium prices for anything
yeah, I'm right there with you Dowd, although probably not with the same example
I kind of expect I'll be asking "how much does it cost" a lot this trip
In fact, I think the hardest challenge for me is going to be relaxing enough to enjoy it when I secretly suspect that I am surrounded by con men
I've found that cruises are much cheaper in the long run because you don't have to pay for anything besides drinks and excursions
And Sara and I don't drink much. We usually just get the drink of the day during the evening show
But you typically get a ridiculous amount of service for the overall cost
*as opposed to a similar trip staying in a hotel for the same length of time
If it helps, think of it like this: You probably paid no more than $800 a person for a 7 day vacation. That's about $125 per person, per night which would be considered fairly cheap for a decent hotel room
but also included in that price is 3 hot meals, 14 shows, daily live music, various sporting activities...
So, yeah, even if they "get ya" on the drinks, you're still coming out well ahead
Oh, and there's gambling too. But I think it's safe to say everyone always gets taken gambling
yeah, you have to remember, my usual vacation is $50 for a site fee, camping gear I already own, and the rest of my budget is food and booze
I'll let you guess which part I spend more on
the idea of paying $125 per person per night is insane to me
and beyond that, it's not actually about the money; it's about years and years of training to be on guard for paying too much for things or paying for things you didn't want
Yeah, I realized that idea of camping out for $50 where you're coming from
I thought you just might appreciate knowing that for what you're getting, it's a deal
oh, i'm sure it is, especially since I'm not paying for the bulk of it
Well then it's a double deal
what do you mean "shows" anyway? like musicals?
But, yeah, the only thing you're going to want on the boat and have to pay for is drinks
They always have shows at night, and they're usually pretty good
They're different each night and also depend on what boat you're on
Sometimes it's musicals, or dance numbers, or stand up comedians, or bands
Circus like performances (jugglers, contortionists, acrobatics...)
strange
And then they usually have a second type of show that is more audience participation based, like a game show
ugh
Participation (and attendance) is not mandatory 
Like I said, every night you'll get a pamphlet that lists everything going on for the next day
Which will include what show is on for that night
I'd better pack several books...I think I'm just going to sit in the room and read
Well, that would be one sure fire way to guarantee that you're not going to have a good time
I will say that as much as I love cruises, the rooms are fairly crap
really? I was thinking it was probably the only way I would
But it's ok because I never go to the room besides to change and sleep
I guess I'd just be more comfortable if I knew what was going to cost me extra and what wasn't
Drinks
Unless you elect to go on an excursion, drinks are the only thing that will cost money for you to do
and excursions
well, and internet access
Yes. The cost of excursions are listed up front, not hidden, and there are no hidden costs associated with them either
yeah, I guess internet access too, but I try to stay as disconnected as possible during trips
what about food at off hours? I understand that meals are included, but if I want to get a coffee and a danish in the middle of the afternoon, is that included?
or is it just impossible
which is why I didn't think of it
(yeah, I'd like to do that too, but I need to check work email; at least work is going to let me expense that)
You should be able to get coffee and some snack anytime you want for free
I am skeptical of this. I know there was some discussion of drink plans, and that we declined "unlimited soda", so clearly there is a concept of charging for drinks of the non-adult nature
There are going to be 2 main dining areas: the windjammer which is a buffet style place which is open for most of the day, and the main dinning room which is where you'll get your fancy pants 4 course dinner from
Just soda. Coffee, tea, lemonaid, and ice tea are free
and apple and orange juice for breakfast
You'll know it's free, because there will be places on the boat where you can just walk up and take it for yourself
I'm trying to figure out what ship you're on to see everything that might cost you money
The spa will cost money, but the gym won't
all the on board entertainment is free
You know you can checkout the excursions online now as well as see how much they cost right?
So even if you don't book them, you can get a feel for what's available
Ben & Jerry's will cost money (unless you're in the Ben & Jerry's suite), but I think all the other food places should be free
They will also have free ice cream by the pool
right...so what I'm hearing is some stuff is included and some isn't, according to some byzantine logic that I don't grasp, and I'll need to be careful that I don't accidentally spend money
They're pretty up front about asking for your room key to pay for things first
it's not as complicated as it sounds. I would be very surprised if you got a service you were expecting for free and were made to pay for it after the fact
I would be shocked by that, but only because I expect to be charged for everything, and thus will probably ask for nothing
The vast majority of things are free, and things that are not, you get charged up front
yeah, I think I'm going to have a hard time getting used to that idea
So I've spent some time looking at the new (and existing) features of my just-upgraded IDE, and it can do some really cool shit I was not aware of
I'm almost tempted to set up some phpUnit tests, since it apparently has integration for that, too
heh
which IDE?
PhpED
A lot of the cool stuff (like a line-by-line execution speed profiler) requires a local install, which I didn't actually have until recently... but I think now would be a good time to learn it
I haven't used a language specific editor since Borland C++, version 3 IIRC
I just have too many different languages I work in
Well, it's for web development, it also supports html, javascript, css, perl (sorta), and has some database hooks
Currently everything I do is either all frontend, php-based, or xsl (and it does xml as well, which works for that), so it covers all the bases
yeah, I need support for arbitrary languages
like "oh, I need to hack up this shell script file" or "I need to find the formatting error in this json we're sending"
I pretty much live in visual studio
even though i don't get to use a majority of the features of it for work
yeah, my friends who do MS stack work all swear by visual studio
My visual studio needs a new license... and I only have that at work anyway
how did I ever work in a language without easy closures?
Dude, we used to have to edit the startup files for our computers to play games
Don't ask how that's directly relevant to your question; just accept that it is
yeah, I remember those days.
So I either just helped boost my career, or I'm going to be fired next week
And now I'm going home to let that stew over the weekend
isn't it terrifying how hard it is to tell those two apart?
Have fun on your trip Tozzi!
Way too terrifying
thanks man, see you on the flip side!
