Maybe they've gotten so lazy with the franchise the title was bugged and they just ran with it instead.
I think that's mostly for Dowd, since it will reinforce his rage 
I haven't got to see Star Trek yet, but we're going to this weekend
Was it any good?
Hey I don't have rage
I liked it, but all the fan service took me out of the movie a bit
I did hear there was a lot of fan service
Was it to the franchise as a whole, or just to the original star trek show/movies?
Because I don't know if I'd get a lot of the original star trek fan service stuff
Well most of it was to Wrath of Khan
And there were a few references to the original Khan episode, although I wouldn't call that stuff fan service
FWIW, Matt loved the movie, and I apparently hate everything, so you should probably see it
Yeah, I was under the impression this movie was basically going to be a remake/reimmagining of Wrath Of Khan
Don't feel bad for hating everything Dowd. Your hate is very reliable.
I wouldn't say it's a remake of Wrath of Khan
just uses Khan as the villain
or one of the villains
A fact which they went to pretty extreme lengths to hide, despite it leaking like a year ago
Yeah, I heard it leaked a while ago, but was surprised they weren't pimping it hardcore on the trailers
Chuck Klostermann talked about it on a podcast yesterday (forget the other guy's name), and had a great niggling question...
I told my friend and he didn't believe me
"What situation after this led to Khan obtaining Ricardo Montabon's accent?"
That's racist Dowd.
Easy - Brain damage from McCoy putting him in an improper cryogenic freeze
lol
btw so far the iO9 article is fantastic
Oh I do have one very specific complaint about Star Trek - what the hell is the point of removing Kirk's command and then immediately giving it back?
Totally extraneous plotlines appear to have become a deep pet peeve of mine
It wouldn't be star trek without a B story line
I actually didn't have a problem with that
my reasoning is: There actually were some pretty severe consequences for his action, but the exigences of the moment trumped them
also: he was given back his command so he could be the fall guy for Admiral Marcus' scheme
Yeah, but wouldn't the movie have been tighter and, frankly, better if none of that ever happened?
As I mentioned on the phone the other day, my major complaint is cosmetic in scope
I'm not saying it didn't make sense in-world (I'm certainly not saying it did, but one debate at a time ), I'm saying it didn't make sense as part of the script
No, because it wouldn't have established Kirk as having a low point to grow from.
lol @ "I don’t know. I think it’s nice that in this day and age, a white male can still be cast as an Indian played by a Mexican. White men really have come a long way!"
I feel like the first movie covered that
btw speaking of stupid plot points, Khan and Kirk fight in the original episode, and Kirk wins clean
<shrug> even if it did, the movie is kind of pointless if the main character doesn't have any room to grow
I mean yeah, he uses a weapon at the end, but it's not like he was using some dirty unknown trick
And i09 brings up that point too - that Kirk had that arc in the first film
and I'm not really sure that he did
Speaking of cosmetic complaints: how were the lens flairs in this movie?
Massive
His arc from the first movie went from him being a loner reject to someone integrated into Starfleet but as a rebel
This one took him from being a rebel to someone who actually empathized for his crew and took responsibility seriously
I don't disagree that Kirk needed a low point, I just think it was dumb and inconsequential
Though, that being said, Tor.com made a good point the other day - the "Kirk as rule-breaker" persona is strictly a construct of these new films
In the TV show Kirk is straight as an arrow - obeys every order he's given
The only time he really breaks ranks is in Search for Spock, and he does that to save the life of his best friend
Yeah I guess that's the whole effect of not having his dad
The thing is, the entire premise of this reboot makes no sense - if Kirk's life was changed that much, there's no way he ends up at the same rank on the same ship with the same crew
I'm willing to suspend disbelief, but only so far
On the other hand, not making any attempt to make sense might be better than the usual Star Trek MO, which is to try to sound like it's making sense but not have any consistency or scientific basis
That Fight Club phone thing is pretty awesome
I love those kinds of slipped in minor details in movies
The new Xbox is going to be revealed today. And thank god, I'm sick of hearing about the announcement COMING SOON
I'm kind of a one giant ball of "MEH" on all these new consoles
I have no idea what the next gen of consoles can provide for me that my current one can't
Me either
Technologically, I'm perfectly happy with last gen
Really all they can add is across-the-board 1080p support and 3D - the former is barely noticeable, and the latter is something I actively don't want
Agreed. Typically a next gen ushers in better graphics, but you can't even realistically get that anymore either
So.... yeah I'm with you there
Was there any big selling point for the PS4?
I guess it's a bad sign that I can't recall anything about it
Same here, I have no idea
I will buy these consoles if and when they release a game I must have (i.e., a Final Fantasy game 
)
Just re-read the PS4 announcement. It boils down to having a PS4 kinect (which might not even be included in the base hardware) and the ability to make a RAM image dump so you can power down and pick up instantly where you left off
Oh well now I'm sold
This chat functionality does not have a font big enough to convey the yawn I'm feeling over that right now
Didn't they kill some or all of the backwards compatibility, too?
Yeah, all backwards comparability is gone
Yeah from a practical standpoint, that makes it a non-starter for me: I still play tons of old games, and I don't have any more HDMI ports
And the games looks identical to the PS3 on their hyped up intro, no gameplay at all trailers
My big guess for the "wow" factor on the new xbox? Built in kinect, blu-ray player.
Don't forget the inevitable promised "you can watch TV through your console!" thing that a.) never happens and b.) would be pointless anyway
And c) effectively already happens with hulu and netflix anyway?
I'm kind of waiting for the new XBox to announce that it won't support any physical formats at all, and will just be a black cube with a green X in it
And is actually secretly part of the Riddler's plot to take over Gotham City
The other fun possibility is that every new system has enough power to render everything in just enough detail for every NPC represented to fall solidly within the uncanny valley
That actually sounds exactly like the new android based gaming console
Oh, sorry, it's a white cube, not black.
Are you talking about the Ouya? I thought that was black
Is it weird that I want to talk about an MMO, but I don
't want anyone else to play it?
Weird in general, or weird for you specifically?
lol touche
Really? "New York City FC"? Way to put effort into naming your new MLS team, guys (FC stands for "Football Club" btw)
yeah, that's a little lame
And they don't start for two years? See this is why MLS is lame. That and because the current NY team is called the Red Bulls
I could see rooting for NYCFC, unimaginative as it is. I refuse to root for energy drinks. Even if they have Thierry Henry
Wait, the "Xbox One"? Are you serious?
Makes sense. The only thing better than a bigger number is being number one
And yes it does have Blu-ray, and set-top box capabilities
Whoo! All of our crazy predictions came tru
Now I can die easy, knowing I don't give a shit
lol yep
It has a retro kind of look to it
In that it's a featureless rectangular box?
Pretty much
even that two tone black matte finish vs the air vents all over the place make me think of wood paneling trim
From reading this wired article it sounds like they almost spent more time improving the kinect than the actual xbox
Honestly, that's probably a good idea, from a "hey what the hell can we improve on this thing?" standpoint
It sounds like they made improvements to the point where you can play in any condition. They have a 6'4" guy standing 3 foot away with his hands stretched out and he's being fully recognized
Oh hey an actual cross-shaped D-pad. That's the second most interesting thing I've seen
They also mention that it works in the dark now too
(the first is a live action Halo TV show... not because I care, but because at least it's new)
Yeah, it looks like they just tightened up the controller in general too, without actually making it any different
Making it different would have been stupid, so I'm all for that
I have to say, reading towards the end with the more centrally designed all-in-one media solution does sounds pretty good
No word on backwards compatibility though 
Oh I'm sure it's out
Huh. They're making all games be mandatory to install from a disk before you can play
I mean, it barely worked last time, and the Xbox has never made a business of selling old games
A lot of PS3 and original Xbox games work like that. It's called "having a required hard drive"
Oh yeah, there's backwards compatibility confirmed as not happeneing
The most relevant piece to me is that the new kinect sensor can be used as close as 3' away, making it legit for apartment dwellers
On the horsepower front
while I agree that I don't really need graphics to get any better, It hink there's still value in upping the overall capabilities
Ideally you should be able to start rendering things in the level of graphics we had now that you couldn't before (for example, Dwarf Fortress)
Honestly, the wired article makes a strong pitch for the XBox as your living room hub
In many ways it feels like the XBox is being positioned as a communal space, voice activated computer
The use of Azure for computing is also interesting - I feel like it's following an increasing trend for that kind of thing
I know Steve says he uses a lot of cloud computing services at work, and was reading an article the other day that says Netflix probably makes more efficient use of Amazon's hardware than Amazon does
Also fascinating - the start and select buttons on the controller have been replaced with icons that are familiar to everyone with a smartphone
Yeah, I wasn't too excited about the new xbox, but reading about the possibilities of it's centralized media hub stuff is pretty intreging
once I worked out the kinks I was kind of shocked at how convenient it was to use the kinect to communicate, and kind of like the idea of it having a bigger role
oh, sorry, misread - Gamerscore does transfer
Dodged a bullet there!
seriously
Damn straight gamerscores transfer!
I knew nothing plays on discs, and that no games were going to be backwards compatible
So, I'm not so bothered about the way Microsoft is messing with the used games market
but it really seems to kill off the idea of loaning a game to your friend too, and that does piss me off a bit
That does seem to be exactly what it's doing
But I'm sure the PS4 is going to do the same thing too
Apparently it's not a dead idea entirely. A secondary system can install the games as well, but most likely for an import fee
Which would presumably be cheaper than buying the game new
Yeah, the "presumably" bit is the question, I'll be curious to see what they announce
Oh shit, double EXP weekend in FFXI right after a double EXP ring... wait I need to find a gray lining for this silver cloud. Um... my skills won't keep up?
That they're making EXP so abundant is a sure sign the game is about to die and this is a last ditch effort to retain a consumer base?
Actually making EXP so abundant is what killed the base for the game in the first place. This is actually intended to get people to do anything EXCEPT the system that did that (it doesn't apply there)
